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Scribe, my point exactly. There is so much park not near their events, it is probably there. I'm being BOLD, and goin back forget AA, phalen, Capitol, my spot just makes too much sense, but I can only dig at night where I can't be seen from others.
Sup Phil, naw, everyone is still split up between like 4 and 10 parks
Lets see...Lamberts landing has the walking/bike paths and is sort of in a depressed area because you can see the bluffs, and isn't there a Pioneer Press Bldg across the river "our deal" - heck I don't know...
well, take it easy everyone, I'll be back with more flayva later on. and hopefully Shaggy 2 Dope will be somewhere around to shed his insight on stuff.
I just hope that Clue #8 does not repeat something already known which is "NOT MUCH" because of the lack of narrowing things down. I went through the ice maze area and that was the only sign I saw which puzzled me because very few people would be in that area. It was off the beaten track and behind and to the side of a building. I didn't even go to BC today but was right by Conway. Alot of people were hoping to have it more broken down into 2 parks so that this weekend could be definite digging time. With Monday approaching and the work week begins again, not much people can hunt. I usually take vacation during this time, but too many things are happening at work and can't get the time off. Depression, depression, depression.
Traveling the old way could mean by boat or by train.
Those wheels are really clicking and some great notions put in prose.The "busiest street of all"if taken literally has to be I-94.The MLK Center and grounds was where I looked today.There were several serious shovelers.
It's really dug up near King's name,presumably "the man of mettle".I think some folks gave up on that site,but it still seems promising.So much for Arlington-Arkwright Park.
But the dove clue still throws me.There's a mural of doves,but that's not "a peaceful bird buried deep in the snow".A lot of digging there anyway.
Scribe - We will be digging, lets talk later, we are not planning on going to get the paper.
Hey all - we went to AA earlier today and the ball fields south of Como just recently. Clues fit well at both, but Scribe is betting on the ball fields. It is definately a wide expanse of space. All of us could dig and never find it. It is not parked full like Como Park is unless there are broom ball games going on.
Okay, I'm going to try posting again without it freezing my computer. Met up with some at Como, and they were doing some digging, but not much. Green and Jake and some others didn't seem sold on it, as did I. So we'll see what tonight brings us.
T-DIGGER look at my posting 17690 and let me know your thoughts on that I did the research and it all fits
I just got home from scouting out all the parks (Worked my way from WI to MSP). Not many people around... scattered diggers at each park. Como was the busiest but how many were diggers? There's so much WC activity there. These clues are so DAMN frustrating. You take them at face value. What do you get? You dig a little deeper. What do you get? NADA! Everything leads to every park and, yet, all clues do not add up at one single park! ARGH!
If the bases do mean a baseball field, wouldn't it be field #1 for "one way" and "figure" I just think we are looking for number 1 - and no one say 1st bank...
What can anyone tell me about Rondo?
Could also mean "Caravan" like the gypsies!
Annette you can see the 1st bank sign from highland...if you look to the east
I still like my theory on Carty Park, because McCarty was the SuperMayor!
A lot of searchers find significance in the name Lexington.I'm not getting those vibes.I don't see the word 'battle'but 'duel'.A battle can be a duel,but duel is usually between two.That's why I went to that playground at Burr and Tedesco.
Where's Carty Park?
Donna, checked your post. Now that's a lot of noodling. Your thoughts make sense and could easily fit the clues. After reading many of the other ideas, I think we can still make any location fit. That's why the writers of the clue are enjoying us racking our brains. Again, I hope Clue #8 gives us something strong to use and not a fague hint. I know, I'm asking for too much.
A birthday party awaits my arrival. Good luck trying to figure things out. I'll be back.
TD
Me and some of the wolffpac just got back from HF's. I can make every clue fit there but the park is sooo big, it will take a few more clues to narrow it down.
Carty is near MLK. But doesn't seem to be anything else much there.
Very fine is a name of a juice. Just thought of that when reading the clues again. Just thinking.
Rondo ran East-West and was condemned when they built 94. There is still a "Rondo" celebratioin every year. There is a Rondo Community Center on Dale So. of 94.
I was over at MLK but didn't notice Carty.
LELABELLE:Rondo was the black residential street in town decades ago.The "memory lane" is fitting because 'Rondo Days'are celebrated every year.The street itself is just a service road now,directly south of I-94.
sharky, i noticed it's damn near impossible to find a place to park at como. and it gives me a strange feeling that como isn't the spot.
hmmm...."juice state"...Florida, California....???
Thanks for the Rondo help. Is there anything at that Rec Center that would make the clues work? I have never seen it and it is not in the guide, but I was thinking about Rondo Days.
david, wasn't rondo replace with i-94?
Kent Street runs right into it..The superman/mettle thing...traveling the old way would be before 94...don't really know what else..
The Highway runs through where the houses and back yards on the north side of the street were.There isn't much left of what is now called 'Old Rondo',but the part that remains is near the MLK center.
Joy, clean out the car, pack a nine, and let's fo hunt in the ghetto!!
The thing is, I think, that while 94 was built over the Rondo community (which centered on Ronda Ave.), it actually replaced University Ave. as a thoroughfair.
What could steer mean - is there a park or public place w/ an ox? Too bad we aren't in Brainerd. Where were the Ox trails? That would definately be traveling the old way.
We've also been to MLK today. I get a good feeling there. Everything fits - especially if you know the history.
The problem with MLK is the clue that tells of lots of space.There is some near the ball field,but not a huge amount.The "riding around can be fun" suggests nothing to me.
Ox ford pool, located in area of MLK
Steer---Bison rd??
yeah, been off computer, then got sick, but came up with the rondo thing, allot of stuff fits their, but what about the "Round" for mlk? other thoughts are cap mall still fits. and possibly irvine (old and new shepard road). though, nothing is more busy than 94, for rondo. ANYONE EVER READ THE BOOK "DAYS OF RONDO"?
Ares,
It would be TOO soon to be at Como again, wouldn't it?
Besides all the parks discussed here, I tried to find one named College off Energy Park. Ever here of it?
regalman - steer clear - oxford pool would definately be clear, right?
I just saw College Park in the book - way of thinking, there is a bank, library, oh yeah and it ssays that the park drops off at all sides therefore a bowl shaped.
Annette - where EXACTLY is it? The directions I have led me nowhere...
university av, is arguably still the busiest (non-freeway) street in the city, though dickaroo.
Where is the Oxford Pool?Nobody was swimming today.
which one, sharky - carty? is on st albans, grooto, and iglehart, and College Pk is by the UofM
College is too small, thought there last year.
Get this: there is a Bison Ave that runs into Midway by Como - suppose someone thought of that one. Looks like Pryz did.
"One Way" of *linking . Has anyone notice any One Way streets in any of the parks?
Annette - what more does it say about College? It seemed that, according to the website, it was decent size. Yet, I couldn't find it.
Comio is almost all one ways except como
How 'bout HealthEast (fettle and mention of e/w)?
Just noodlin... not much else to do until 11pm.
sharky, i tend to agree, como last held the med. 4 years ago. but it would be quite bold to put it there. i haven't looked into college park.
deb, como's got a one way on i believe the north side of the lake.
If you want more complications,here's one.That same I-94 is also parallel to Old Hudson Rd.-the old way v.what was once called 'New Hudson Rd.',or Hwy.12,now 94.Henry Hudson could be the man of mettle.
Somebody previously thought of Forest and Sherwood,thinking of Robin Hood.There is a corner of Forest and Hudson.The bad news:No great amount of space,no riding around that's fun,no man of steel comes to mind at that location.
College has tennis courts (on your toes), can be good for sliding, gythe st, chelmsford, Doswell ave - none of these make too much sense. it is in the St. Anthony Pk area - I have nevery been there so I don't know more than I am reading.
Interesting, David. I am just trying to expand my horizons into some other areas. I have been so focused on the same few parks. Thanks.
Thanks Annette... just considering ALL options!
I hadn't put these 2 together, but the 2 clues "steer clear" and "to escape the herd" might have something to do w/ each other.
Who is the man of steel?
Is anyone doing an ice sculpture of a BULL or OX...."clear steer" lol
Well ? seeing as that we can't find a st.paul"place"where the gold IS ,maybe we should all get together and meet each other and talk about the clues? A park/tavern? i have been busy this week "hunting" and don't have the time to to type this into words.
Annette... SHEPARD Rd?
Man of steele analogy heard today at Capital... Jesse's thinks he is but isn't, and the PP hates him anyway!!LOL
Well ? seeing as that we can't find a st.paul"place"where the gold IS ,maybe we should all get together and meet each other and talk about the clues? A park/tavern? i have been busy this week "hunting" and don't have the time to to type this into words.
Ms Sharky - now there's something - never crossed my mind.
LuckyII, that's not a great idea to post your e-mail address. See, there are some real psycho's out there. I suggest you set up a hotmail account and use that instead.
There are animals at Como Zoo-but not enough to constitute a herd of any one species.In the aggregate though,the animals could be regarded as a herd.
david, there still is a hudson road, just north of 94, in the vicinity of earl st.
Annette, want something to do that's INTERESTING? Check out the clues from the 1961 hunt! Tell me I'm wrong... but aren't they using similar words?
thx, you got the scribe out hunting?
THX1138 Thank You! I'm tO Trusty
Sharky, yeah - looks mighty interesting! I am still reading it...
You're supposed to find this peaceful bird away from the herd.By Clue #10-that won't be feasible.
But it does suggest moving away from "the herd".A herd of animals-a herd of something else?
Hey Ares,
Scribe was out earlier with the kids. We've got stuff going on until later tonight. Maybe we'll get out there after the next clue. It's still too vague for me.
You're welcome LUCKYII
Did anyone notice clues #2 and #3, the first letters of each line are in bold just like the G O O D L U C K are in clue #1? Or is just my computer?
"Did anyone notice clues #2 and #3, the first letters of each line are in bold just like the G O O D L U C K are in clue #1? Or is just my computer?"
D.B. It's not like that in the paper. Only on the web site, AND I also noticed it's only like that if I am usingg IE and not Netscape.
Just logged on, anyone want to do a quick recap for me? PLEASE!!!!
S.B.
There's no "Quick Recap". Everyone's just throwing out their ideas.
Which are still numerous.
Me, I still don't have it figured out. I'm just gonna wait for tonights clue I guess.
Oh, thanks
AW still at AA?
thx has it right - no quick recap w/ us - I think it is great that nobody knows yet, and the hunt is not over.....
SUE:It's absolutely at MLK center,or it's absolutely at Como.Such is the consensus.
Not much talk of Phalen or Highland today.
Yeah, AW went up to AA to check it out before dark.
Another thought, brought to my attention by my sis... The rodeo is in town next week. Herd? Steer?
Also, cattle area = South St. Paul
THX, is Scribe still thinking cOmO?
AA was whack! I was just there. How could people think it was there?
Well, not Como but McMurry field.
AA was whack! I was just there. How could people think it was there?
Clue 4 mentions proper place... in previous hunts "proper place" meant proper name. Any thoughts on a BOLD (new) park with a proper name? MLK would be one...
Do you mean near S St. Paul, because it can't be IN S. St. Paul. I never heard of the rodeo around here. Sounds like fun. That '61 clue still looks interesting.
The PP will need to buy us all a drink after all this tinking!
What street are the fairgrounds on? Como? and what is at the fairgrounds? The Colisium! and what is in The Colisium during the fair? CATTLE! CATTLE HERD!
Here's a streach, don't know if anyone said it yet since I haven't been on since midnight....The Josiah SNELLING is a old paddleboat...gosh, I can still fit the clues to about 6 places...ARGH!
Did AW go to AA-or did AA go to AW?
SUE:How does that steamboat fit in?
I hate to be redundent but HF's sits right below shepHERD road.
David, Traveling the old way...
Not bad-and if ShepHERD Road is likely,I'd say stick with it.
Here's something to feel good about...if we don't find the med, we don't have pay taxes on it (Just filed mine today, so on my mind!)lol
Jordenn, Going around and around and around!!!!!!! Makes me dizzy!!
Joe Cool?
As for the cattle at the State Fair-I think Langford Park is closer than Como.
You'd have to get away from the herd,but you'd still have to be fairly close.I don't think it's the cattle herd.
JOE!
Well all,there's gonna hafta be somethin very specific tonight to get me off McMurray.........
David, missed again...thanks!
Can't tell if clues are metaphoric, literal, or just convoluted.... :o)
Or you could mean the Fair Grounds itself-the clues don't actually say it's in a park this time.I give it more credence now.
true.
Hey all! It was nice to meet you Scribe, Lelebell and Pennie... hope to meet up with you later tonight (if the clues can pinpoint some more direction!) I HOPE!!!
Crooks, that's the nature of the game.... :)
ok things are sounding better - shepherd rd sounds good. It talks about highvoltage powerlines having large colored balls on them to warn of low flying aircraft - (circular linking?). and lots of space (near HF)
Hey Jord! Still not sold on my theory,huh! It's good to keep our options open,but I'm still bettin on this one!
And the man of mettle-Mario Cuomo(Como)of course.Yark-Yark
Railroad track runs down Concord, stock yards (cattle), over Mississippi then down the ShepHERD road side. Don't ask me what I am thinking. Maybe it's an old way of travel over the river before the bridges were built. Wabasha and High Bridge, East and West side of Harriet.
Hey Crooks and Jordenn! Gotta love the maddness!
Good lord, David!
It's NOT Como park proper......It's not defined as a park,but a ballfield.
Scribe, I was hoping you'd add more to your tag line today...
Scribe, no I do like your thinking.. just hoping it does indeed fit!!!!
Hey Pryzmsphere!!! :)
SUE:Sorry-I just never got into the JOES.
Let me thinks SueB.............:)
Man of mettle-Henry Ford
Maddness is just a state of mind!!! This is just plain nuts!!! :o) Glad ya'll are doing it not me. Good to hear from you Pryzmphere!!! Good luck!!! I am convinced Jordenn is crazy!!!!
Man of Mettle=Abe Lincoln.:)
Crooks, you are just jealous you can't get into it! If you were living here, Treasure hunt fever would strike you too!!!! :)
That is a logical conclusion, Crooks! Jordenn is CRAZY!
I still think it's at Como! If anyone can prove me wrong, do it now please.
Man of mettle-Jesse Ventura LOL
Crooks,Jord is one of us now........there is no use in deprogramming......she MUST hunt........OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMM......
Oh< I meant Man of Mental-Jesse Ventura
lol Wolf! Folks do say that he "METTLES" to much!
But Abe Lincoln didn't have a herd of cattle-or think in circles,or play baseball in that non-park.
Man of Mettle=Jesse Jackson.(and what a fine mettle it is...LOL!)
OK Crooks and Prym... this is NOT a 'gang up on Jordenn room'-- this is the 'let's find the medallion room'... now BE NICE!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :)
Yeah - well I mentioned him last nite, but no one went for Jesse then, who knows now...
Not me Jordenn, I know what you are doing!!! I am content to watch from the sidelines.... :o) But, I do hope that you win. Agreed Pryzmshere!!! I think we can safely establish that as a fact.....
So...we were at another park today and then I checked out Iris and Newell. Both dead. I am thinking more that it's Como..the only thing is WHERE? Any ideas?
LOL...Nice one Scribe!
David,but I think Jesse Jackson is thinking in circles about cattle,maybe wantin to hop a train about now.....
Scribe, you still think Mcmuray?
I have been thinking of ways Ventura may fit into this too!
David, how do you know what good ole Abe did or didn't do? LOL
McMURRAY!!!!! You heard it here first!!
Since the mansion is becoming unlivable they might find a cage for him at Como.
LOL @ Scribe!!! You got that right! Thanks for having my back!! :)
P.. didja get that email now or what??
Re Ventura...leaves you depressed, must not annoy, our fate most cruel!! lolololol!
Never gain up on you Jordenn, ya know we love ya, despite your ummmmm flaws.... :o) So get crackin and solve this thing already!!! Besides I am always nice..... LOLOLOL
Lemme check J and I'll get back to ya!
So right,lol
But seriously - is there a park near the Mansion that would go w/ any of the clues? ORRRRRR...isn't the Gov's Mansion public ground? We could all go a hunting there..a hunting we will go, a hunting we will go, hi ho......
Cute Annette! and if we get cold, Jessie can make us coco and toast!
Maybe he will give our rebate!
SCRIBE:I guess all is forgiven as far as his church parish goes.
But his wife?I'd rather face a mugging in an alley than tell my wife about an affair-much less bringing another kid into the world.
Annette,will you please look at McMurray field??? You got a guide???
I'm trying Crooks............. with alittle help from my 3 thousand friends here! :) :) :)
Yeah I'll look at McMurray - give me a sec
BRB....coffee break!
I still think it's at Como! The last clue points out Como;we're headed there right now.
WOLFPAC:Great post-" a cage for Jesse at the zoo"-Ha Ha
scribe, methinx you may be on to something there. how's the view of the conservatory and carousel from mcmurray?
David,I forgive him too,course I ain't married to the guy(and he should thank GOD for that).He should be stripped (literally) of his 'title and his duties (whatever those were) and maybe take up on a shrimp boat.
Spry, take a ride on the ice slide...lots of fun!
scribe, you should thank god for that, too lol.
Very nice Ares! The trees block the way but it is only a hop and a skip.:)
Got faith in you guys, someone is bound to ummmmmm stumble upon it. :o) I will talk to the Great Spirit and see if He can lead you white eyes in the right direction... Aho
Where is McMurray? I should know this, but......
Ain't no great spirits where the puck is only ball,broom,soccer and hockey players........:)
SCRIBE:Jackson had the title of 'Senator for Statehood'in Washington D.C.,even though the guy lives in Chicago.I guess he took it seriously.
Annette,it is literally right next to Como park on Lexington,Jessamine,Buehla Lane,como.
Is there a McDonald's by McMurray maybe we can get a McChicken. Just kidding.
David,sounds like someone after Hillary's own heart.:)
You puttin this together Ares?
pg 18 Treas Hunt Gud I see McMurray Field - now what?
Better get going...we actually have a sitter and going to hear a band, but then some late night, adult beverage enhanced, diggin' will be goin' on! GOOD LUCK everyone!
I guess Hillary will let Bill into the new house in Washington.Maybe Bill and Jesse should room together.
50th anniv. Is there any popular gift that is given for a 50th wedding anniv? Gold, Silver, etc
someone at work was telling me the man of steel thing he thought pointed to lexington ave (as in lex luther, supermans nemesis?) - did anyone ck this out yet? Probably everyone.
I think it's gold-silver is 25 years.
Lexington is right next to Como and MC MURRAY FIELDS.... right Scribe?!?!?! :) :) :)
ANNETTE:Even for the PP-that's pretty convoluted.I wouldn't rule it out though.
The gold horses on the capitol? Can you see them from any of the parks? Old way of travel.
Well he said bcuz the man of steel would be Superman, the man of mettle may be Lex Luther, and do you know what I said? "Isn't Lex Luther a pro-wrestler?" True story.
Pennie......where are you??!?!????? :)
I see the logic in this case-disregard the 'man of steel'as far as a name search.Does Luther Ave. come in right about there?
Was driving around town today and saw a Wells cargo sign with the horse drawn carriage on it. Could fit the last clue, think of traveling the old way again and you might make a big haul.... just a thought.
It's looking like Como now-but they should have picked another place.If it's not actually the park,I guess they think it's seperate.
Road Runner..where did you see that?
I think we need the next clue of course thats been said every night right before the next one comes out but I'm telling you this is going to be the one that at least lets us know what park the damn thing is at
Was in Roseville, but got me think maybe a park with a Wells Fargo nearby.
Yeah, Wells Fargo w/ their stagecoach and that would fit in with the BANK clue also!!!
But...Wells Fargo? Where is that in ref to a park in St. Paul?
Got back from Marydale (had to get it out of my system) and there were more people there than at Capital Mall. There is a circular drive around a flag pole as you enter Marydale; not much else too exciting, but people were there...
there's a big wells fargo on McKnight
but it's not that close to anything
Wells Fargo is now dt St. Paul. I see Luther Place is right off of como, and near college pk
in a convoluted kinda way, scribe, yes. ballfields abound there. and if you're in the area of the circle, but can't see it,...
i'd been thinking that it was possibly in the vicinity of the fountain with reference to riding the old way, northbound lexington used to pass to the east of it, where there is now a parking lot, if memory serves.
And....do people still think it's in Battle Creek? That's off McKnight and right close to where I live.
Down from the Capital Mall, but facing it, is a smallish park with a huge statue of a guy, nothing else; would be considered part of the Capital Mall area. but hard to get to......
If it's not at como could bank be talking about the river bank at Hidden Falls ( just a thought).
In defense of McMurray field-By Scribe
Clue #1 Good luck+Irish=McMurray. Duel=Betwween two=dual=war/veterans=ww2 missile at Como/dual(double thinking) Keep on your toes=skating June=summer sports,baseball,soccer,softball
Clue#2 deploy=war=missile in Como/dual thinking=battles=Lexington wonderful town=St.Paul proper golf courses and STATUES=(not often they mention STATUES)Como has many and golf course
Clue#3 Circular thinking=AROUND/literal circles cOmO Linking=connected to but not in/Away of linking familiar things i.e.Good Luck,irish,McMurray.... out of view=not all clues can be totally viewed but in near vicinity bank=1st bank corporate offices near/dual meaning bank=hill east and west=St.Paul properi.e.Como is west in St.Paul proper/dual=east and west picnic grounds among other... depressed=sunken( the whole field) playing=sports/rides
Clue #5 man of steel=Larry Hodgeson(twice mayor of St.Paul and jounalist for PP)Ballfield in Como is named after him and a monument to him there. Look for his name AROUND our deal=not literal=circular thinking (fettle and mettle fit him well) Peaceful bird=dual meaning here,tells us what the puck is hidden in AND the bird sanctuary at Hodgeson field
more to come..........I'm being kicked off..back to finish in a sec...
hate to say it but there is a Wells Fargo Brokerage services that might be visable from Phalen.
Allison, I and company went to Hidden Falls last night. A few people were there in their cars...but it didn't look promising.. Where does today's clue fit into Hidden Falls? Maybe boating/riding around...and busy street is 494? I don't know...
scribe, don't forget the battle of midway in that thinking as well. i'm not familiar with the mcmurray duel. plz explain.
I'm gluttin for punishment....back for more noodlin!
joe!
aren't we all, pryzm?
Michelle, I was thinking the old road is Fort Road(w. 7th St)
gate's closed at hidden, crosby and phalen last night
lol...must be!
Yeah W 7th st as opposed to east. Well I need a break - be back later......
Sorry ares not Mc Murray duelLOL! Thats two thoughts,I punctuated this time!LOL
I can see why Crosby and HF's are closed at night, it would be dangerous.
How was your break? Pryzmsphere? Me and Jordann are munchin down :o)
For the record, I was only in Hidden Falls because Michelle wanted to go there and I had never seen it. Saw Irvine for the first time too.
nice....but found myself thinkin about these damn clues.....DOES IT EVER END????
Sounds like you're out there digging at "Linwood" Fields there Scribe! :)
P...maybe in June, maybe in June.... LOLOLOL!
Fort Snelling is by Hidden falls. That could fit with clue #7.
I'm going back to HF's in the summer, it would be beautiful. Nver had been there before today either.
doh, scribe. now i see.
I don't think that my mind could handle it! SOMEONE PLEASE FIND IT!!! PLEASE!
Cold feet, every clue could be HF.
I'm stuck on where it's at but I think it is in a dove soap box, any other ideas?
I want to go to Iris and Irvine in the summer.
Yes, your right Wolffpac. I agree.
pup, i think the general consensus is that it's in a dove soap box. and because we're all bigots about our ideas, we'll not entertain any others :)
Someone will Prymzsphere! And this year it will be a COOLER CREW member!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It has the same chance of being at Hidden Falls as it does crosby
Speaking of dove soap...heard rumors that there are decoy dove boxes in the parks....FYI
It's got to be in a dove container! I want to be able to say I got ONE clue right.
Where is Iris?
pryzm, i had thought of actually doing that. until i thought wait a minute, i could never remember where i put them, so the only decoying i'd be doing would be of myself :)
LOL ares
Who's all going to Como tonight? Lots of people there, and if so, Where around?
Iris is off University and close to Fairview, right behind Porky's.
lol Ares!
tom, univ. ave. at porky's drive-in
Scribe, how does fettle and mettle fit Larry Hodgson
I'll be there... hoping the clue narrows down where the heck the treasure is!!
I see. Lots of People at Iris or Como?
I might go to Como to make fun of people. Don't feel like digging tonight.
Jordenn...think you might head out for another dig tonight?
SCRIBE:Very good analysis-but Larry Hodgson as the 'man of steel'?Is the statue metallic or was he in the steel industry?I don't remember Hodgson as mayor,so it must have been before my time,and I'm not young.
If you're on track-there will probably be a reference somehow to actor Fred McMurray(MY THREE SONS-DOUBLE INDEMNITY-THE ABSENT MINDED PROFESSOR).
I am impressed with how you've collected this data,and put the pieces together.
and why couldn't it be at Rice Park?
Como reportedly has a lot. I think Iris has mostly drive-bys as its hard to make everything fit there.
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